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New Twist On An Old Law

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 8:29am
No knee jerking allowed. Go take 5.





We all know the the current law, MCL 750.227, which emasculates even the women in our state, denies everyone the right to defend themselves with really, anything that might be interpreted as a weapon. Law with it's threatenings cited below.

It is commonly believed that a law abiding citizen could be charged who was found to be in possession of some item in the car, say, a screwdriver, knife, hammer, what have you, and that the prosecution would then have to prove that there was intent to use the item as a weapon unlawfully. I think we all agree here.

But.

What if, the item were a firearm? (put your knee back now please).


When specific items are listed in the law as cited below, dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged yada yada yada, we also find firearms specified on that list. But, when a firearm is found, the prosecution it seems, no longer has to prove intent. It is implied, and that is...inconsistent, if not unethical.

Applying the standard unilaterally to any item enumerated on the infringement cited below, firearms as well, the prosecution should NOT be able to gain a conviction on merely the presence of a firearm, but would have to prove intent, just as s/he would have to if any other item in question was being used to subvert the rights of, and permanently subject the defendant to a lifetime of defenseless persecution from enemies on both sides of the law.

Thoughts?





750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty.

Sec. 227.

(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00.

Do no-gun signs in MI carry the weight of law or not?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 5:24pm
Hello, we have been researching Michigan's laws pertaining to whether or not a no-gun sign carries the weight of law behind it. both handgunlaw.us and MCRGO say that it does, even though there is technically no law codifying it. This is because, as best as we can tell, 1) there are "pistol free zones" which are always marked by signs, and 2) state law makes you as a trespasser if you walk past "reasonable" notification like a no-gun sign.

We have made a note of this in our reciprocity guide http://2afriendly.com/2afriendly-reciprocity.php?s1=MI but want to be sure it's as accurate as possible.

Anyone have input in this?


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Watch video of Jackson police arresting man who carried pistol at Secretary of State

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 5:44pm
http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/in..._arrestin.html

steve dulan is handling this case. looks pretty solid for the plaintiff.

Open carry bill in Kansas possible nation wide model for open carry in all states?

Mon, 04/07/2014 - 8:28am
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...tes-lawmakers/


Kansas legislators gave final approval Saturday to a bill that would nullify city and county gun restrictions, ensuring that it’s legal across the state to openly carry firearms, the Associated Press reported.

The measure — which the National Rifle Association sees as a nationwide model for stripping local officials of their gun-regulating power — was approved by the state House, 102-19, a day after the Senate passed it, 37-2.
Republican Gov. Sam Brownback hasn’t said if he’ll sign it, but he’s a strong supporter of gun rights and has signed other measures backed by the NRA and the Kansas State Rifle Association.

Kansas law doesn’t expressly forbid the open carrying of firearms, and the attorney general’s office has in the past told local officials that some restrictions are allowed. But the Unified Government of Wyandotte County and Kansas City, Kan., has prohibited the practice, and the bill would sweep any such ban away — except to allow cities and counties to prevent openly carried weapons inside public buildings.

The measure also would prevent cities and counties from enacting restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition, or imposing rules on how guns must be stored and transported. Existing ordinances would be void, and local governments could not use tax dollars for gun buy-back programs.


MORE at link above! or at link below.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...tes-lawmakers/

Is this considered legal open carrying (picture included)

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 8:45pm
I do some walking and do not wear pants with belts and am a bit too large for shoulder holsters. Since I don't have my CPL, I have to open carry. My solution was to wear my gun openly on the outside of my backpack. I achieved this by adding Velcro tape to the holster and the backpack and tightly tying the bands of the backpack around the outside of the holster. Since this is clearly visible, this would be legally open carrying still, correct?

Open Carry on bicycles.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 12:46pm
Thought this might help:

MC: 257.79

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949


257.79 “Vehicle” defined.
Sec. 79.

“Vehicle” means every device in, upon, or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, except devices exclusively moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks and except, only for the purpose of titling and registration under this act, a mobile home as defined in section 2 of the mobile home commission act, Act No. 96 of the Public Acts of 1987, being section 125.2302 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.


History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1976, Act 439, Imd. Eff. Jan. 13, 1977 ;-- Am. 1978, Act 568, Eff. Jan. 6, 1979 ;-- Am. 1992, Act 134, Eff. Oct. 1, 1992

Another Anti OC Song

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 8:40pm
Seems like we have another idiot musician trying to make a statement. Shame, I love a lot of her music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsO6a0sLENs



Why'd You Bring A Shotgun To The Party"

Alone, afraid, the kitchen of a maid
Sitting in your room drooling like a loser with all this doom
You think, then you start to drink
Then you get so paranoid with all the drugs they fill you with, then boom

Does it make you feel like a man? Boom
It’s not the size we understand, boom
You think you’re gonna get with me
You’re never gonna get with me
You’re never gonna dance with me

I admit, I feel like you, like $#!+
But I don’t go out and take it out on everyone about it
We’re all part of the system
You wanna start a war?
Feel better we won’t miss it

Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Everybody’s got one, there’s nothing new about it
Want to make a statement? You should have come without it

You turn the TV on, watch it if you dare
You see a politician and you start to pull your hair
Whistle to dimensions see there’s really nothing there
You want it so much you think they think they Fu--ing care and boom

Do you think they hear you now? And boom
Making noises in the crowd, all in the way that you’re using
You love it so much then why do you abuse it?

Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Everybody’s got one, there’s nothing new about it
Want to make a statement? You should have come without it

We’re all part of the system
Blow 'em up, shoot 'em down
'Cause you can Fu--ing miss it

We’re all part of the system
Blow 'em up, shoot 'em down
'Cause you can Fu--ing miss it

Alone, afraid, you want to make 'em pay

Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Everybody’s got one, there’s nothing new about it
Want to get the girl? Then you should have come without it

Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?
Why’d you bring a shotgun to the party?

new to OC

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 4:08pm
I am 18 and looking to purchase my first handgun, i understand there are no laws for or against open carry in michigan and i live in lansing and im just wondering what i should and shouldnt do to get in trouble...i enjoy going on walks around lansing but its not the best area and like to feel protected any information would be helpful thanks!

Flint Township open carry arrest article.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:25pm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...-real-trouble/


A gun owner in Flint Township, Mich., has filed a lawsuit claiming he was stopped and arrested while legally openly carrying his pistol back in December. He ended up spending Christmas in jail.

Flint Township police say the man’s gun was covered by his coat, making the arrest legal. The police dashcam video of the incident doesn’t prove either side’s story conclusively, but it does provide some additional insight.

In the video, John David McMorris, 21, can be seen stopping and putting his hands over his head when an officer turned on his police car lights. The gun appears to be visible on his right hip in the video — and Michigan is an open carry state.

More at link above ........

Georgisa new Gun Bill "Guns everywhere"

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:25am
http://www.policemag.com/channel/wea...um=Enewsletter


This is something that could change the face of America if it the Georgia Governor signs.

"Pro- and anti-gun forces do not agree on much, but they do agree on the breathtaking sweep of the Georgia legislation allowing guns in bars, schools, restaurants, churches and airports that is now awaiting the signature of Gov. Nathan Deal, reports the New York Post."

I like this one if it is true.